Tag: acephobia

doe-bii:

man… when ace discourse started, it was still pointless bigoted bullying but at least they could form a sensible sentence but now these piss drinkers are just 

“asexuality is a cult created by the cia to get the liberal democucks into their secret program to force the gays into become acehet arohets” and then fifty 13 year olds clap their hands real hard

acelaurakinney:

acelaurakinney:

the funniest thing about ace discourse is that some people rlly think calling ace people incels is going to make the community a safer place and incite real world change. 

i made a donald trump aroace moodboard on tumblr dot edu and the trevor project stopped supporting ace people and providing resources to them.

be the change you want to see. 

carl-wtf:

agendershadow:

sapphicafe:

ace tumblr stop using bi/trans ppl as your pawns to “fight” against the “evil LGs” challenge

what does this post mean

Exclusionists think that ace people are brainwashing us bis to hate LG people but they don’t realize that it’s bi people who see the discourse, (which is most of the time word for word biphobic rhetoric anyway) and we come to our own conclusion to stand with aces. It’s not that we think LGs are ~eevalll~ but one of the reasons why bis and aces relate to each other so much is because we get so much shit from exclusionist LGs. Literally before ace discourse there was bi discourse. But because Exclusionists hate hearing that they just determined that we MUST think ALL LGs are evil and that aces MUST be using us as pawns to further there agenda of sneaking into our community and stealing resources.

TL;DR: Because Exclusionists are assholes.

we didn’t fabricate ace/bi/trans solidarity, SOMETHING drove us together and hmm I wonder what it was

That electricterror guy, to prove he’s not white, posted both a selfie and a picture of him having sex in the same post. He did, however, mention geeksandmisandry in his post, and acted like they were the ones calling him white when the truth is that in the notes aces and aros of color wanted to know and were calling him out for it. Imagine being so disgusting that instead of replying and saying “no I’m latinx” someone posts a picture of themselves having untagged sex. Minors are on both sides.

what is it with acies and hating lesbians

i wasn’t ‘wary’ of cis white lesbian exclusionistic women until years of facing their transphobia, racism, and aphobia

so just maybe, people who have every right to avoid further oppression under guise, especially since its just … not interacting with users that have, like, a specific tumblr theme going on or w/e

bc in comparison, you ppl literally invaded a safe space not intended for you, and secretly took a random user’s words out of context to laugh at, hmmmmmmm

like maybe its about time you people took this opportunity to examine that being gay isn’t actually the Great overarching politic of All Time and lesbians really do have problems as a community oh wait does that only apply to everyone else

lokiagentofasgard:

miz-andry:

some hot lesbophobic takes from an ace server

hi there folks

I am a mod on the aforesaidmentioned ace server and let me tell you – I am furious. 

here’s the section of that comment you cut out, by the way! so nice cherry picking!

you picked out a ten-day-old conversation to post on tumblr, cropped to look “lesbophobic”. wow. nice detective work.

the conversation that these posts were a part of was about how TERFs co-opt lesbian aesthetics to represent exclusionary ideologies. Every person involved in the conversation said multiple times that they hated it because real lesbians suffered from the contamination. it’s very telling that you consider that to be lesbophobic. 

also, the mods are aware of this post, and we will be taking action to further tighten up our security, which has already had to be tightened several times to keep our users safe. “Make your own community“, my ass.

oh, and by the way – plenty of people have already covered why attacking artists over flag merch is nonsense but here’s a recap:

  • it isn’t a competition
  • the lesbian flag has more complex colours and often takes longer/more materials to make
  • the lesbian flag is relatively new and not everybody knows about it
  • IT IS NOT A COMPETITION THERE IS ROOM FOR ACES AND LESBIANS AND ACE LESBIANS

P.S. we’re reporting your post for violating this user’s privacy, not that it’s likely to make a difference given tumblr staff’s attitude

‘invading safe spaces’ is an exclusionist thing

ace discourse reminds me so much of that one snl sketch: a found poem

autismserenity:

autismserenity:

aliceopal:

autismserenity:

autismserenity:

literally, nothing exclusionists do, and nothing you say to an exclusionist, will ever matter. nothing will ever get a response beyond “nuh uh!”

they’ll phrase it different ways every time: “aces are cishet. cishets are cishet. they just wanna be oppressed so bad. they’re literally not oppressed in any way. they don’t experience homophobia or transphobia. they benefit from homophobia and transphobia. they are lying. that never happened. 

“you can’t use their tumblr posts as proof. you can’t use studies about them as proof. you can’t use every real-life org including them as proof. you can’t use our community’s own oral history as proof. you can’t use our community’s own written historical documents as proof. 

“lmao i’m not a terf, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not quoting terf rhetoric, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao i’m not consistently attacking trans women inclusionists, i’m literally an nb lesbian. lmao our movement isn’t full of terfs, we literally called out a terf once. lmao how dare you show me a blocklist of hundreds of terf exclusionists to call out, I’m literally an nb lesbian.

“anyway the community literally started to combat homophobia and transphobia. anyway it’s always been lgbtpn. anyway it’s always been lgbt. anyway cishets aren’t lgbt.” 

some of the things that canonically Don’t Even Matter and are clearly Fake News: 

aces as a group experience 30% more harassment, 221% more sexual assault, 100% more intimate partner violence, and 277% more stalking than straight people.

aces are as likely to be suicidal as gay or bi people, and twice as likely as straight people

aces do, in fact, get sent to conversion therapy specifically for being ace. have to leave schools and jobs specifically for being ace. lose housing because they are ace. get rejected by their families for being ace. get sexually assaulted specifically for being ace, not for “being women” or “declining sex.” 

aces, as a group, consistently experience ALL types of sexual assault and abuse at higher rates than their gay and lesbian peers. only bisexuals consistently experience these things at a higher rate as a group, than aces.

trans people who are also asexual are 25% more likely to have attempted suicide than hetero trans people. (Gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people: 10% more likely than het trans people. LESS likely than ace trans people.) 

Ace trans people are also 50% more likely than het, gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people to have been homeless. And about 33% more likely to have been evicted for being trans. 

(Same study: A higher percentage of trans aces are harassed at work than of trans LGBQ people. A much higher percentage of trans aces have had to quit school because of harassment, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces have experienced family rejection, than of trans LGBQ people. A higher percentage of trans aces lack health insurance, than of trans LGBQ people.) 

“The first study that gave empirical data about asexuals was published in 1983 by Paula Nurius, concerning the relationship between sexual orientation and mental health.… Results showed that asexuals were more likely to have low self-esteem and more likely to be depressed than members of other sexual orientations”. 

In 2015, Russia took away the rights of asexual, binary trans people, and many groups of nonbinary trans people, to have driver’s licenses. Thanks to the fact that every diagnostic manual for mental illness in the world still considers “lack of sexual desire” to be a mental illness.

And an ace-inclusive Russian LGBTI+ youth site, the only one in that country, was shut down a few years ago thanks to a 2013 law against “propaganda causing minors to form non-traditional sexual predispositions.”

aces were being studied, as well as being trashed as not-actually-oppressed by the mainstream gay community, almost 50 years ago.

ace invisibility and its effects were already being written about in academia almost 20 years ago.

lesbian and gay publications were casually referencing asexuals almost 50 years ago

mainstream publications were casually referencing asexuals as part of the LGBT+ community 40+ years ago

lots of gen x bisexuals considered aces part of the bi community, before there was a strong separate ace community, because they experienced equal attraction across genders (even though it was an equal lack of attraction in their case) and thousands of aces on Tumblr have shared their present-day experiences (in the notes on this link) with initially thinking they must be bi for the same reason

exclusionists have consistently singled out trans converts to Judaism for personal harassment, and going so far as to doxx one and try to get the rabbi to not let them and their family convert

exclusionists consistently both suicide-bait and defend suicide-baiting

exclusionists have faked screenshots to claim that a (non-ace, non-aro, inclusionist) transfem sexual abuse survivor was boasting publicly about sexually abusing children

ace exclusionists have been lying about ace inclusionists and enabling real predators in the process since at least fall 2016 tbh

I had no idea about any of these facts. Have so far tried not to get involved but according to these stats it’s a lot more important than I thought

honestly, getting involved in Discourse is probably pointless. It seems like the only exclusionists left are people who are so invested in their beliefs that they can’t or won’t even look at other information; they just insist everything’s all lies, and make fun of it without reading.

But getting involved in supporting aces in whatever ways they need/want, or raising awareness among the rest of us? That’s always worth doing. 💖

i was talking to my bi ace genderqueer cousin about this and pulled up the post again and like….

i just want to highlight this part. This list is all from the National Transgender Discrimination Survey, which had a sample size of something like 15,000 people. Which is fucking huge for that type of study. 

trans people who are also asexual are 25% more likely to have attempted suicide than hetero trans people. (Gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people: 10% more likely than het trans people. LESS likely than ace trans people.

Ace trans people. Are more likely than any other trans people. To have attempted suicide.)

Ace trans people are also 50% more likely than het, gay, lesbian, OR bi trans people to have been homeless. And about 33% more likely to have been evicted for being trans.

A higher percentage of trans aces are harassed at work than of trans LGBQ people. 

A much higher percentage of trans aces have had to quit school because of harassment, than of trans LGBQ people. 

A higher percentage of trans aces have experienced family rejection, than of trans LGBQ people. 

A higher percentage of trans aces lack health insurance, than of trans LGBQ people.

None of this is because we are trans. If it were because we were trans, then the numbers would be similar to the numbers in the other groups. The difference between the groups is that we’re ace. 

I need to point that out, because I’m pretty sure the knee-jerk exclusionist reaction to this would be “but they’re trans, so it is just because they’re trans.”

And it’s not a surprising difference. It parallels what happens when studies of things like suicide, poverty, et cetera, in gay+bi vs straight people, actually separate out the gay and bi people. It always turns out that the bi people have the highest rates of whatever is being studied. 

This is just the same thing happening again. The groups that get the least attention have the worst outcomes, gosh gee I wonder how that could be… and then that makes it harder for us to advocate for ourselves, which continues the vicious cycle. 

basically, a lot of exclusionists have seized upon Pride Month as a great time to double down on claiming that “aces aren’t oppressed in any way”

this list is my gift to everyone who sees those posts and has to be like, “I mean, we might not die or be kicked out or assaulted for being ace, but that doesn’t mean it’s easy” or “so we should take a backseat, but we deserve to be in the car” 

print it out, crumple it into a ball, and throw it at an exclusionist today!